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    theory1

    Ok, so excuse the poor pictures (I took them from google :3 ), but here is the idea for my project. First (at the bottom), we have mr. man. Hi mr. man! The first thing that mr. man puts on is the padding (or innermost cloth layer), which will have reinforced shoulders and button slots at key areas. The second layer will be the chainmaille. The third (and outer-most layer) will be what everyone sees, and will have buttons on the inside (flat, so as to avoid discomfort) that reach through slots in the chainmaille and inner layer to keep it together. The chain hood will fit into the outer layer like a sock, with a button near the forehead to keep it in place. The cloth layers will then have a zipper at the bottom to bring the whole suit together.
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    theory1

    The heavy part is part of the design. By consistently going against that resistance, I will be getting stronger on a daily basis. Also, if I am attacked by a hammer in real life, I have bigger problems. It also goes back to what I was telling tactical, there is no such thing as a perfect armor. Something is always going to be faster, stronger, or expolit a weakness. :-) also, even in the case the hammer, the chain mail links will help to distribute the bludgeoning power of the weapon a bit. It'll still hurt like a mother bear though.
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    Armored Hoodie Project

    Mdewaddic: It becomes a problem to access the chainmaille if I sandwich the hood between the inner and outer layers of cloth, so I designed the hood in the outer layer like a sock with a catch near the "toe" (it would be located near my forehead), so it can be housed there. It will still have cloth between me and it, but I'll be able to get at the chainmaille easier this way when I need to. I also intend to have it be a pull-over, so I'll be extra careful with my measurements. Thanks for the heads up!
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    Armored Hoodie Project

    I have an idea for a concept, but the options and pros and cons are overwhelming and I could use some advice before I start implementing. The concept is this: create a hoodie completely out of steel rings (looking at 16g, 5/16"), then envelope it in cloth (inner layer and outer layer). The result is a hoodie that does not stand out in a crowd, but is effectively knife-proof (as well as weighted for strength training). I'm trying to accomplish this in under $150, but have a quality product when I'm done. Below are some of the options that I am having trouble deciding on: *European 4-in-1 versus 6-in-1 *Galvanized or Mild Steel *Gauge and ID of rings (in proportion to necessary 12 square feet of "cloth" and cost repercussions) *Should the maille be accessible or not (via zipper or such) I'm experienced in maille, and am sure that I can pull it off, but I have no experience in big projects like this. Any help is greatly appreciated! ~Pyre
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    theory1

    Tactical: That is not true. For one, I'm using an alternating washer/butted rings style in stainless steel with spring temper when possible. For two, I have several examples of 4in1 (butted only) in aluminum that can stand up to some pretty harsh knife attacks. For third, this is a layer of protection that the attacker won't see coming. Given, it isn't fool-proof, but no layer of armor is. Any Armor can be beaten given the right circumstances and attack. But a layer of hindrance can foil an attack if it unexpected or the attack is less than a perfect thrust. I'm not looking for a perfect armor, I'm looking for layer that I can wear on an everyday basis without drawing attention to it.
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    theory1

    There are two purposes to it. The first is to serve as a spread-out weight for the person wearing it, so they have to work harder to move their arms and their legs are burdened more. The second is to serve as a sort of last line of defense against knives. You can take it apart, so when you go to Ren fairs and such, you can just wear the chainmaille, but if you'd rather not be pulled over by cops every 15 minutes while jogging, you can wear it with the hoodie.
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    Armored Hoodie Project

    Carolides: Sadly, I am not Greek... but I am willing to concede the point if need be. Anyway, here's what I'm thinking for my rig: http://www.theringlo...e/5355-theory1/ I realize that cloth isn't going to last forever against chainmaille, so I thought to make the whole rig interchangeable. I'll be able to change the cloth layers when I want to change the outside or it gets too worn. Any thoughts? This is my first concept idea, and I am sure that there are better ones out there.
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    Flying with Chainmail?

    This is a little off-topic, but what about wearing chainmail? Like a full shirt? I intend to travel with one and it weighs 25lbs. I'd rather wear it on the plane than have it take up precious weight from my check-on luggage.
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    Armored Hoodie Project

    Thanks for everyone's input! Konstantin: I looked up the Trevor Barker shirt, and it cleared up a few problems I was having with expanding and contracting maille. Thanks! Also, I'm looking into a few options to make the sleeves work better at the elbows, Thanks for the heads-up. Milquetoast: The picture you put up helps a lot! It actually explains the figure in your instructions that I didn't understand! Good idea about the sock-sleeves . Hilstad: I am not familiar with leather working, sadly... Maybe if the hoodie were made of a sturdy cloth, like Denim? I intend to have an inner and outer layer of cloth, so I can have a tough layer on the inside and a softer one on the outside. Good feedback though! Update: I'm looking at 16g 3/8" spring temper steel and punched rings for the material, and a European Hauberk Construction (with a few alterations to resolve problems that have been brought up). I'm hoping to place an order soon, so if anyone has any suggestions regarding ring size, speak up! (Also, did some math. Giving a rough estimate of 12 square feet of material to build the hoodie, and with the stats TRL has given me, I should be able to purchase the necessary rings and washers at $166 before shipping. Boo-Yah) Design: I don't know how fond everyone is of Koine Greek, but I was thinking of putting a word on the front of the hoodie. It means "a load" or "burden". Thoughts? http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=a%29%2Fxqos&la=greek&can=a%29%2Fxqos0
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    Do you think im silly wanting to wear this?

    Very nice! I'd definitely wear something in that style.
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    how do you do it?

    I try to keep a blanket or jacket over my lap as I work (I like to take a kit with me and maille when I'm bored). When I'm at home, I keep over a pool table or have a wide board on my lap to help catch things when I drop them.
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    Armored Hoodie Project

    Milquetoast: In Progress pics would be awesome! The pattern you found looks perfect, but I'm a little confused on the concept of expanding the pattern, as well as figure 8.b . If you have any up-close pictures of what they are talking about, it would help immensely! Calisandra: The punched rings look perfect for this! What size of punched and butted rings did you use in that picture? I know Mdewaddic used the same size for both, but if there is another way to do it, I'd like to compare results. On a previously untouched topic, what should I put on the front of the hoodie? I'm decent with cloth and want to put something sweet on the front, so suggestions for designs, slogans, etc would be awesome!
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    Armored Hoodie Project

    Milquetoast, I do intend to make a hood. Any ideas on how to craft one or any patterns to share? Also, I am having trouble finding a mantel top hauberk design, but I think I found a yoke style pattern. http://www.bladeturner.com/pattern/hauberk/hauberk.html Mdewaddic, good point on the shoulder padding. I'll definitely consider that in my design for the cloth portion of the hoodie. General question for all, how would I go about mixing in punched rings? Should I replace the 4 with punched rings, or the 1? Or is there another method altogether?
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    Armored Hoodie Project

    TRL's shirt calculator put me at a little over 10 square feet of material, so the hoodie measurement was off a bit (the hood is not included in that number, though). I've also been wondering about sprint temper stainless steel. How much better of quality is it versus regular stainless steel rings? Also, I'm narrowing my search to 14g 3/8" or 16g 5/16".
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    Armored Hoodie Project

    Wow! Didn't expect this much feedback so quickly! Thank you everyone! Now, to responding. Due to the massive feedback against mild and galvanized steel, I'm looking to stainless steel for my rings. E6 in 1 is out, and I'll go with 4 in 1 instead. As for the armor-quality of chainmaille (especially with butted rings), I guess I need to clarify a bit. The purpose of this project is not to make myself 100% knife-proof (such a garment would be reminiscent of Bioshock's "Big Daddies", and not convenient for everyday wear). This project has three purposes: 1, to be the biggest project that I have undertaken with maille; 2, to add a layer of protection against bladed weapons; and 3, to assist with conditioning and strength training on an everyday basis (if this thing ends up being 50 pounds, I would be happier than if it ended up being 20 pounds. I want it heavy). I realize that maille is almost completely ineffective against bullets, and only gives a certain amount of protection against blades, but it is a layer of armor that is not to be expected and is between me and a slashing/piercing weapon that I wouldn't have otherwise. I have martial arts training, and ideally, I won't ever need the protection, but I would rather have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it Now: for a second round of questions *To make a cloth hoodie, most patterns require roughly 18 square feet of cloth. Does this resemble the amount of chainmaille required to make a similar structure? *While pre-cut stainless steel rings are pricey, the wire is not so much. Is it worth buying the tools to cut roughly 600 meters of wire into rings (approx. 2000 ft for empiric measurement), or should I let the guys with the nifty professional equipment do it and save myself the headache? *Still trying to pin down a good size for rings. Looking at either 18g or 16g with an AR around 6 (18g 5/16", 16g 3/8"). Thoughts? *Anyone forsee any problems I may run into with this project? I lack experience, so I'm looking to glean some hard-earned wisdom from ye veterans.
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